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The OpenID.org Saga

So for awhile the owner of openid.org was pointing it over to openid.net as a redirect. A few months ago a group of us approached him about transferring ownership of the domain, even paying for it, so that it would always be a redirect to openid.net as well as there was the thought of using it for the OpenID Foundation. So today I see someone using an OpenID of http://steve.openid.org and what do I find, but openid.org is now an OpenID Provider with 24 users.

What should be done in cases like this? We tried asking for the domain, buying the domain, and now it seems like the owner is trying to run a commercial? service with it. Is the only solution a domain dispute with ICANN over the OpenID trademark; that seems like it would be painful all the way around. :-\

Edit, seems people are linking to this:
http://digg.com/tech_news/Openid_The_OpenID_org_Saga
http://jyte.com/cl/the-openid.org-domain-should-be-transferred-to-the-openid-foundation-either-for-free-or-for-a-fee-and-should-not-be-an-independent-openid-provider

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desh
Jun. 8th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC)
Is he not talking at all? Unless he's playing silent treatment, I'm sure there's a right price...
(Anonymous)
Jun. 8th, 2007 11:32 pm (UTC)
Let's vote on it...
Let's vote on it over at Jyte (http://jyte.com/cl/the-openid.org-domain-should-be-transferred-to-the-openid-foundation-either-for-free-or-for-a-fee-and-should-not-be-an-independent-openid-provider).
ext_36436
Jun. 8th, 2007 11:46 pm (UTC)
Greed
Submitted to digg (http://digg.com/tech_news/Openid_The_OpenID_org_Saga)... Hopefully the guy will cave and move his commercial service to an appropriate domain.
ext_5549
Jun. 8th, 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
This is unfortunate. Something like this happened with the linuxdoc project a few years ago, and that was just annoying. Do people really think that a domain is all they need? This person should write the owners of email.org and see how they are doing.
ext_45988
Jun. 9th, 2007 12:22 am (UTC)
Hi Fred - no. It just so happens that like many other providers i decided to use the domain, but put on a real open id provider - oh, and maintain the link to the original specifications as well. I'd LIKE to see it succeed. I've spent a hell of a lot of time trying to make a mobile version work because of that.

One of the complaints is the number of providers cropping up with few consumers. I figured if there is a free open provider, then why both and so more consumers may start to crop up. I love the idea of OpenID on a mobile too...

I actually wanted to do this stuff, and even approached a local enterprise company way back in 1998 - when Passport was kicking off. It is actually something that excites me!
ext_21548
Jun. 9th, 2007 12:00 am (UTC)
domain dispute
I observe that Network Solution WHOIS reports that the domain name "OPENID.ORG" was Created On:04-Mar-2005 08:56:05 UTC US PTO TESS shows for the "OPENID" trademark registration the requestor (R-Objects/NetMesh) reported FIRST USE: 20050517.
pmmarcov
Jun. 9th, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
that bites.
ext_45988
Jun. 9th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC)
commercial? huh?
Mum, i made the news :) Funny how mis-information can spread around the web so quickly!

I don't quite undertand - commercial? Where do i ask anyone to pay for anything. I mention FREE in the page title and around the site several times.

I'm actually trying to get some people using a single open, free provider and so create more consumers rather than yet more commercial providers. Is that not something people are confused with. Is an ORG provider not quite sensible?

I didn't give up the domain name because i saw it as valuable for open projects i wanted to use it for - not financially, more more in terms of openness. I had another project intended for it when i bought it some years back, but with the advent of OpenID figured i could help the cause rather than obfuscate. I have chosen to redirect with no hassles.
ext_36436
Jun. 9th, 2007 12:17 am (UTC)
Re: commercial? huh?
Was Google non-commercial for the years it didn't have any ads and provided a FREE web service? Is openid.org owned by a registered 501c3 nonprofit or equivalent?
ext_45988
Jun. 9th, 2007 12:28 am (UTC)
Re: commercial? huh?
No - it's presenting some ideas around open id i wanted to see.

In fact when they spoke to me it wasn't for the foundation, the .org would be for the developers (unless that is the same thing, which is may be). The site is me developing some ideas around open id.

I don't intend to charge on the site. I'd actually have though an ORG site would be a popular thing?!
peter_dasilva
Dec. 6th, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
How about making it actually work?
Fix openid.org or sell it to someone who can afford to maintain it.
ext_50188
Jun. 9th, 2007 08:32 pm (UTC)
Problem?
I don't really see the problem. Isn't this dude well within his rights? He had the domain before there was an OpenID I suspect. Did he? At least the guy is giving credit where it's due. It sucks for the OpenID Foundation, but forcing him to give it up with legal wrangling is unlikely and I don't think it would ethical. I'm not fond of imminent domain either.
ext_50245
Jun. 10th, 2007 03:11 pm (UTC)
Nothing wrong with that
I think you should lose if you open a legal proceeding against him to get openid.org. He's uisng it for an OpenID provider. This is not a case of some scalper holding McDonald's from McDonald's corporation. This is a case of an OpenID provider using OpenID.org.

I think he's fine, and I think the Foundation is off base for thinking it can force its hand.
groundup
Jun. 13th, 2007 03:18 am (UTC)
Re: Nothing wrong with that
I agree with the last couple of comments of him being within his rights
ext_51309
Jun. 18th, 2007 09:14 pm (UTC)
Use OPENIDFOUNDATION.ORG ! :)
This's unfortunate! but it's not serious for the moment! At the proper time the things will be able to change! While waiting you can use OPENIDFOUNDATION.ORG !

I have an Anecdote to tell. I was to have a new member for OIDEF of the Ukraine and Russia, owner of the openid.ru. At the beginning he said to me I will give it to your foundation, I proposed to pay the expenses and last week I understood that he knew OpenID as much as my baker ;) lol and proposed 10.000$ to send me. I said to him to go to see elsewhere!
ext_52383
Jun. 29th, 2007 11:36 am (UTC)
It's fair
I see nothing wrong with what he's doing. He can use the domain for whatever he wants. I think he shouldn't have to pass anything over to anyone.
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